Laura Knight-Jadczyk Landing in the Refugium by boat, and then spreading into Central Europe; but the original starting point has no West Asian. For a while the region was set apart from central and eastern Denmark, that evidently related more closely to the early Únětice culture across the Baltic Sea. I won't be at all surprised if Beaker samples turn up substantially "West Asian" in autosomal ancestry, both because of the ultimate origin of R1b and their distinctive physical type that has its closest parallels to the highlands of West Asia. Quantum Future Group Inc. Incidental finds suggest links to non-British Beaker territories, like a fragment of a bronze blade in County Londonderry that has been likened to the “palmella” points of Iberia, even though the relative scarcity of beakers, and Beaker-compatible material of any kind, in the south-west are regarded as an obstacle to any colonisation directly from Iberia, or even from France. The question is when. Google Arts & Culture features content from over 2000 leading museums and archives who have partnered with the Google Cultural Institute to bring the world's treasures online. Three migrations from India. not exactly what one would expect from a population undergoing genetic drift.Your "genetic drift" argument is a strawman argument, since you've provided no evidence that drift "ate away" the North_European in Armenians, and kindly obliged to show that it did not seriously affect Basques during the historical period. However blood type "B" allele is found in the North Eastern European- Mesolithic & Corded Ware, Hunter Gatherers of the … We also both agree that the r1b line picked up a good deal of meso European, which made western Europe more meso as a whole.But you think the r1b forebears picked up meso European in central Europe while I think it happened in eastern Europe. There are huge geographic differences between the various T1a1 subgroups. If the trb farmers were distinct from their neighbouring hunter gathers then how did the modern Swedes end up so different from the trb farmers? Whilst such studies are insightful, even if the dates postulated by authors are correct, they do not necessarily imply that the spread of a particular genetic marker represents a distinct population, ‘tribe’ or language group. And I do not think the age clines are clear yet within this region.I think SE Europe R1b is the older part of the bush, but from the Eastern Med to Western Europe there are many possible dispersal paths.This one result hints at all sorts of possibilities, but it is not the type of result which requires us to ignore all previous evidence. R1b-R M269 migration, Bell Beaker isolate French Basque comparison. They continued that pattern over generations. The early studies on the Beakers which were based on the analysis of their skeletal remains, were craniometric. Aldaieta Cementery dating back to the VI and VII Century AD in Alava(n=27) shows frequencies of R1b(xR1a1) and R-M153 at 77.77%, I-M170+ at frequency of 14.81%. The copper age was well ensconced. There are two main international Bell Beaker styles: the “All Over Ornamented” (AOO), patterned all over with impressions, of which a sub-set is the “All Over Corded” (AOC), patterned with cord-impressions, and the “Maritime” type, decorated with bands filled with impressions made with a comb or cord. Beakers arrived in Ireland around 2500 BC and fell out of use around 1700 BC (Needham 1996). The Balkans study I dont believe. and knobs, applied or incised circle/circles rela- Suárez Otero (1997) postulated this corded Beakers entered the mediterranean by routes both through the Atlantic coast and through eastern France. R-M269 came to Europe from the same place I-M170 came, from outside, the question is: When did it come to Europe? is that from armenians so originally the balkans?But I might have also brought some Wets Asian. So a Centum-like group coming through the Mediterranean and even parts of North Africa (some of which = Sea peoples?) All-over ornamented (AOO) and All-over-corded (AOC), and particularly Maritime style beakers are featured, although from a fairly late context and possibly rather of Epi-maritime style, equivalent to the situation in the north of the Netherlands, where Maritime ornamentation continued after it ceased in the central region of Veluwe and were succeeded c. 2300 BC by beakers of the Veluwe and Epi-Maritime style. Nevertheless, southern Germany shows some independent developments of itself. Graves with Beaker artifacts have been discovered in the Brescia area, like that of Ca’ di Marco (Fiesse), while in central Italy, bell-shaped glasses were found in the tomb of Fosso Conicchio (Viterbo). The northern area focuses on the Rhine area that belongs to the Bell Beaker West Group, while the southern area occupies the Danube river system and belongs to the homogeneous East Group which overlaps with the Corded Ware Culture and other groups of the Late Neolithic and of the earliest Bronze Age. Bell Beaker is not necessarily a new immigration from outside Europe, it can be an indigenius culture risen from a local Megalithic subgroup. Nonetheless, let us not forget about drift in people from Alava (not Basques in general because we have no Y-DNA data from Guipuzcoa or Vizcaya dating back to the VI or VII century ). Your question again highlights that the TRB sample likely was an outlier - a recent megalithic newcomer. Hopefully this one will be. Therefore their different autosomal components can be easily explained by that. I was suggesting if they'd come by sea along the atlantic coast and their agricultural package was much less productive than it was further south then their population density might be much lower than it was in the south also. Liberals dont like the idea that human progress was driven by invasions, conquest, ethnic dominance, group loyalty and cultural superiority. Thus in parts of Central and Eastern Europe, as far east as Poland, there is a sequence from Corded Ware to Bell Beaker, but this is not the case in Iberia, France or the British Isles, where Corded Ware is unknown. Apparently given the distribution of ancestral clades they arrived by the Balkans. has admixture inflated the frequencies or actually decreased the R1b frequency in N. iran (via R1as taking over)? Azerbaijan - 6.25%6. In Kurds? * LBK (no adna yet)* Plain diffusion and historical movements* maybe it was in some European meso h/g, but I doubt that explains the current prevalence.Are just a few. Short answer: yes. Dear Dienekes and other readers, we have a couple of facts1/mt-DNA H is European and paleolithic2/y-DNA R1b is Middleastern and neolithic3/Bell-beaker culture is Iberian in origin and Neolithic4/no mt-DNA H in german bell-beaker siteOnly 1 paradigm could solve this puzzle=>Bell-beaker culture was brought to Iberia by R1b males and future archeological studies will find the forefathers of that culture, however the possibility that bell beaker is an European innovation by westasian migrant males could stand as well (and very well)YOU SURELY KNOW THAT RAP IS AN AMERICAN INNOVATION HOWEVER WE ALL KNOW THAT IT WAS "INVENTED" BY AFRICAN MIGRANTS (YET IN THE US SOIL)@mooreisbetterNot necessarily and as a perfect counter-example please see the distribution pattern of Arabian J1 (There is more J1 in Algeria than next-to-arabia Iran) in both cases (Arab and IE) we did have paternalisitic polygamist invaders/migrants. Close analysis of the bronze tools associated with beaker use suggests an early Iberian source for the copper, followed subsequently by Central European and Bohemian ores. However, analysis of grave furnishing, size and deepness of grave pits, position within the cemetery, did not lead to any strong conclusions on the social divisions. In a tumulus the find of the extended skeleton of a woman accompanied by the remains of a red deer and a small seven-year-old stallion is noteworthy, including the hint to a Diana-like religion. The fact is West Asians and European groups have M269. I've found all these references to the Beaker Folk's distinct skull type extremely interesting and am trying to educate myself on the subject. Use of beakers and cups for drinking. :-)We've just seen a Neolithic Swedish farmer who resembled Southern Europeans. The bowl tradition occurs over the whole country except the south-west and feature a majority of pit graves, both in flat cemeteries and mounds, and a high incidence of uncremated skeletons, often in crouched position. Both of these populations could have been part of the Megalithic culture and became highly intermixed in most of the Megalithic area, but not everywhere. In Britain, domestic assemblages from this period are very rare, making it hard to draw conclusions about many aspects of society. Instead, quite different customs predominated in the Irish record that were apparently influenced by the traditions of the earlier inhabitants. Mobility and local evolution during the 3rd millennium BC, The Bell Beaker Transition in Europe, Laure Salanova, Maria Pilar Prieto Martínez, Oxbow Books. pconroy/ and R-M269 Interesting ideas. The lack or presence of Bell Beaker elements is the basis for the division of Los Millares and Vila Nova cultures into two periods: I and II. Did the two eventually mix? As mentioned before, their lack of West Asian contrasts with their Indo-European neighbors who possess it.It is not impossible for a particular lineage to come to be associated with different autosomal components, with Y-haplogroup E being the most pertinent example.OK, but the dissassocation is complete. Instead of being pictured as a fashion or a simple diffusion of objects and their use, the investigation of over 300 sites showed that human groups actually moved in a process that involved explorations, contacts, settlement, diffusion, and acculturation/assimilation. In Porto Torrão, at inner Alentejo (southern Portugal), a similar vessel was found having a date ultimately corrected to between 2823 and 2658 BC. Examining dental characteristics that have been independently shown to correlate with genetic relatedness, she found that only in Northern Spain and the Czech Republic were there demonstrable links between immediately previous populations and Bell Beaker populations. Is it true?And is H5a really related to R1a? As such, ‘genetic studies’ have often drawn criticisms not only from archaeologists and cultural anthropologists, but also from fellow population geneticists. The Caucasus component peaks in Abhkasians_Y at 70% in the K12b, the West Asian component in Abhkasians_Y is 61.3% in the K7b. The evidence is sufficient to support the suggestion that the initial spread of Maritime Bell Beakers along the Atlantic and into the Mediterranean, using sea routes that had long been in operation, was directly associated with the quest for copper and other rare raw materials. Also, the presence of spindles at sites like Son Ferrandell-Oleza (Waldren 1998: 94) or Es Velar d’Aprop (Carreras y Covas 1984) point to knowledge of making thread and textiles from wool. How is that populations like Irish and Basque with such high levels of R1b have 0% west-asian ? Maybe not Y-Hg G (since Sardinia does not have West Asian), but this does not make my point invalid. This possibly could explain why, if the beakers were the dominant group in Britain c2400-2000 BC (perhaps spreading R1b widely)that this distinct head type seemed to quickly vanish in subsequent generations, reverting to seemingly more 'native' long skulls. What is its origin? That is pretty much a contradiction, or very unlikely to say the least. But wouldn't the trb outbreed the local hunter gathers to much to create modern Swedes? They can be a completely different story. I expect R1b to be associated with the "Southern" component, rather than "West Asian". Similarly, scholars have postulated various mechanisms of spread, including migrations of populations (“folk migrations”), smaller warrior groups, individuals (craftsmen), or a diffusion of ideas and object exchange. This simply means we have by far not sufficient ancient samples to draw any conclusions, here, except everything is consistent with continuity.This Bell Beaker locality is at the extreme NE edge of its distribution, and surrounded by contemporaneous Corded Ware. Coarse pottery typically decorated with twisted cord impressions, and sometimes with other types of impressions or incisions. Beakers arrived in Britain around 2500 BC, declined in use around 2200-2100 BC with the emergence of food vessels and cinerary urns and finally fell out of use around 1700 BC (Needham 1996). Their usage in short-term pedigree still stands. That way, they became diluted but their culture nevertheless outbred competitors, leading to high R1b but low WA autosomal.Perhaps the invaders slaughtered the local men and kept the women as trophies and as females for breeding. The advent of the Bronze Age Beaker culture in Ireland is accompanied by the destruction of smaller satellite tombs at Knowth and collapses of the great cairn at Newgrange, marking an end to the Neolithic culture of megalithic passage tombs. With some notable exceptions, most Iberian early Bell Beaker burials are at or near the coastal regions. And M73 which is its brother clade? Sardinia has been in contact with extra-insular communities in Corsica, Tuscany, Liguria and Provence since the Stone Age. The early Bell Beakers have been described as "International" in style, as they are found in all areas of the Bell Beaker culture. Middle Bell Beaker corresponds to Late Copper Age 2 and here an east–west Bell Beaker cultural gradient became visible through the difference in the distribution of the groups of beakers with and without handles, cups and bowls, in the three regions Austria–Western Hungary, the Danube catchment area of Southern Germany, and the Upper Rhine/lake Constance/Eastern Switzerland area for all subsequent Bell Beaker periods. "Can the individual mtdna groups be associated with localities in any way that might suggest a migration path (albeit without a known direction)? Recent analyses have made significant inroads to understanding the Beaker phenomenon, mostly by analysing each of its components separately. > What is responsible for that component, if not R-M269. The LN I copper flat axes divide into As-Sb-Ni copper, recalling so-called Dutch Bell Beaker copper and the As-Ni copper found occasionally in British and Irish Beaker contexts, the mining region of Dutch Bell Beaker copper being perhaps Brittany; and the Early Bronze Age Singen (As-Sb-Ag-Ni) and Ösenring (As-Sb-Ag) coppers having a central European – probably Alpine – origin. The frequent occurrence of Beaker pottery in settlements points at a large-scaled form of social identity or cultural identity, or perhaps an ethnic identity. Also, there seems to be a bit of a tendency of a northeastern entry into Europe - not a Mediterranean one. A Strontium isotope analysis of 86 people from Bell Beaker graves in Bavaria suggests that 18-25% of all graves were occupied by people who came from a considerable distance outside the area. What you see is simply a more or less steep gradient roughly somewhere in the middle, where "middle" may mean something as varied as west of the Rhine or east of Poland.For example, Corded ware and Bell beaker had a 600+ kilometer overlap. One of the most important sites in Ireland during this period is Ross Island. "http://www.bris.ac.uk/archanth/staff/heyd/Bell2.pdfSo, from West Asia to Portugal by boat, and then onto Germany.What a story! They could have been a bridge between Yamnaya on their east and Austria/Southern Germany to their west, through which Yamnaya dialects spread from Hungary into Austria and Bavaria, where they later developed into Proto-Celtic. Early papers publishing results on European-wide Y-DNA marker frequencies, such as those of Semino (2000) and Rosser (2000), correlated haplogroup R1b-M269 with the earliest episodes of European colonization by anatomically modern humans (AMH). "Say foragers had a population density of 1 and early farmers in suitable terrain and climate had a population density of 5 but too far north their crops were less productive so they developed a forager-cattle-crops hybrid with a population density of only 2 initially then maybe 3 later as they improved their cattle and crops.In the SE the neo and meso might create a hybrid population in the ratio 5:1 neo to meso whereas along the atlantic coast the proportions might have been 2:1 or less. Again why is there no K12b "Caucasus" component in Franco-Cantabrian region with known elevated levels of R1b and U5?We are only talking about a recent migration? What is Western and Eastern in Europe is the culmination of multiple West-East divides in Europe.The hard part is figuring out which layer of history provides a source for current population genetic patterns. Also, part of the burial practices are almost identical to Corded Ware (e.g., same general polar male/female position, except 90 degrees rotated). ;-), Dienekes regarding R1b and West Asia do you know how old R1b is in N/NW Iran and if it is native to that Iranians? Three seperate waves into Europe via west and central asia. The earliest copper production in Ireland, identified at Ross Island in the period 2400-2200 BC, was associated with early Beaker pottery. (2010) suggest a Late Neolithic entry of M269 into Europe. focuses on a chronological and categorized collection of various environmental and social events that accompanied the Fall of the Roman Empire. There is not enough ancient dna harvested yet to rule this out. Being traditionally associated with the introduction of metallurgy, the first traces of copper working in the Balearics was also clearly associated with Bell Beakers. Did the two eventually mix? Can the individual mtdna groups be associated with localities in any way that might suggest a migration path (albeit without a known direction)? Ezr,Because no one in this context here really means R1b, but specific subclades of R1b-M269 (or specific subclades of R1b1a2 in 2011 notion).Yes, at one point R1b-M269 got into Europe (via the Balkans, as it looks), and it also got elsewhere into Eurasia. Race, ethnicity, class, status, intelligence, strength, good looks, marital competence, cultural capacity: all these are nothing or can be acquired by anyone. Map made from Myres et al 2010, Spatial Ancestry Analysis (Yang et al. I appreciate your time in responding.- kk, Apologies to all, apparently I should have typed Rb1, not R1b1, and also, part of my implicit reading came from reading the Bell Beaker hypothesis/pattern, which seemed to almost be an explicit description of west to east colonization. For genographic studies exactly like the origins of the R1bs. So you would expect there to be a tendency for a more limited gene pool for males leading to the dominance of one or a few haplotypes.And then there is the tradition of the Summer King recorded in literature. Debbie Olausson’s (1997) examinations indicate that flint knapping activities, particularly the manufacture of daggers, reflect a relatively low degree of craft specialisation, probably in the form of a division of labour between households. The most famous site in Britain from this period is Stonehenge, which had its Neolithic form elaborated extensively. Or is it some sort of Assyrian/Armenian/Hurrian/Urartian/Azerbaijani admixture? It almost seems like West European is a "mixture" of West Asian (original Bell Bakers) and East European(Corded Ware) just tending more towards East European. Danish Beakers are contemporary with the earliest Early Bronze Age (EBA) of the East Group of Bell Beakers in central Europe, and with the floruit of Beaker cultures of the West Group in western Europe. Dienekes what about the R1b1a1 M-73 which lacks in Central Eurasia but peaks in the areas around South Central Asia?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)#R1b1a1_.28R-M73.29. I am tired of hearing of the Basques. Its remains have been found in what is now Portugal, Spain, France (excluding the central massif), Great Britain and Ireland, the Low Countries, and Germany between the Elbe and Rhine, with an extension along the upper Danube into the Vienna Basin (Austria), Hungary and the Czech Republic, with Mediterranean outposts on Sardinia and Sicily; there is less certain evidence for direct penetration in the east. Non-metrical research concerning the Beaker people in Britain also cautiously pointed in the direction of immigration. "Parachutes weren't around back then, but boats were. Question:"Is it possible then that R1b came up from North Africa up the coast of Iberia and then across the Bay of Biscay, and not directly from the East? They were described as tall, heavy boned and brachycephalic. Settlements link the Southern German Bell Beaker culture to the seven regional provinces of the Eastern Group, represented by many settlement traces, especially from Moravia and the Hungarian Bell Beaker-Csepel group being the most important. R1b substructure. It came from multiple sources.The challenge explicitly questioned that it could have become ~10% in the British Isles and Scandinavia from any source other than R-M269.So, I repeat, if not R-M269 then what? The inhabitants of Ireland used food vessels as a grave good instead. Irish food vessels were adopted in northern Britain around 2200 BC and this roughly coincides with a decline in the use of beakers in Britain (Needham 1996). (in short "QFG") under the supervision of senior executive editor R1b substructure. Any evidence for that claim is lacking in the paper, and if they do have data or a theory to support the claim, it is poorly explained.I expected that when we finally found R1b we would also fin mtDNA H with it (based on the theory that both R1b and H expanded together from a near east/Anatolian origin. The Bell Beaker culture settlements in Southern Germany and in the East-Group show evidence of mixed farming and animal husbandry, and indicators such as millstones and spindle whorls prove the sedentary character of the Bell Beaker people, and the durability of their settlements. I would imagine that history presents many examples of victorious armies seizing the women of conquered parts. Anthropologists have always understood this and "random drift" is a subversive PC concept that has no place in the interpretation of prehistory. Talking about mtdna here is our new topic with more debate: http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(12)00204-2Nirjhar007,Thanks for the link - very refreshing and illuminating, hopefully Dienekes may find the time to post a separate thread. However, radiocarbon dating from North African sites is lacking for the most part. Northern Iberian Bell Beaker, for example, is quite a bit later and could have orgins from either the south or the north at that point in time. Beaker culture introduces the practice of burial in single graves, suggesting an Earlier Bronze Age social organisation of family groups. Really!!! They could have been a bridge between Yamnaya on their east and Austria/Southern Germany to their west, through which Yamnaya dialects spread from Hungary into Austria and Bavaria, where they later developed into Proto-Celtic. I am one of the people who thinks the "cline" in the most basal types of European R1b is definitely showing SE Europe to be older.However, west of the Rhine and the Alps is not only younger, but a whole different world of R1b. Is it possible then that R1b came up from North Africa up the coast of Iberia and then across the Bay of Biscay, and not directly from the East? It just means that model comes closest to your current thinking. The Indian ARYA migration. Parsis (Pakistan) - 6.80%Interesting to see Pakistani populations so well represented. They were used as status display amongst disparate elites. Is West Asian some sort of special pleading scenario, that in the case of Caucasus/Anatolia their haplogroups have been static and haven’t changed in time since the Neolithic.So, let's summarize:- R-M269 came to Europe from the east.- In all existing autosomal samples from Europe up to 5,000 BC R-M269 is lacking in Europe, and so is the "West_Asian" autosomal component- Modern Europeans have R-M269 and "West_Asian" autosomal component. In most of the areas of the mainland Boquique pottery falls into the latter stages of the Bell Beaker Complex as well. This stands in contrast to the rest of Europe where it frequently found in both roles. Previously archeology considered the Bell-beaker people to have lived only within a limited territory of the Carpathian Basin and for a short time, without mixing with the local population. :) Voting for a model does not mean you necessarily agree with every detail its proponents have advanced. http://cof.quantumfuturegroup.org/events/5425. So the "Caucasus" in Oetzi is related to the "Southern" in Oetzi and not to the (non-existent) "West_Asian".But you seem to ignore what's not convenient in your Iberian continuity la-la-land. The bulk of each culture, was in fact founded by not migrants into local community but entirely new communities migrating into new places. So there were farming women, similar the S. Europeans, in Sweden. There is just no trail of a potential spread from west asia: nothing.The archaelogical record is much more consistent with a small R1b population that existed in Iberia after the LGM expanding at some point in its existence, likely in the early neolithic. According to this view, people are all the same, they are equal. The QFG Historical Database is a research project undertaken by Their development, diffusion and long range changes are determined by the great river systems. Early Bell Beaker Culture intruded into the region at the end of the Late Copper Age 1, at about 2600–2550 BC. 148, Issue. 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